About BHD, Frayed ends and Bleeding Filia sets

[PHPP]

Hey guys, I wanted to talk about this kind of approach for filia sets. I wanted to talk and ask about 3 points in this post: stats, marquees and SAs

First about STATS, considering that most filias will go with ringlet spike sets like the one above, I guess having accuracy on BHD or Frayed Ends is kind of useless right? Also, I was thinking that maybe going for a defensive style stat distribution would be ideal, since if you're going for bleeds you don't really care about ATK or piercing, but I don't know if that is really the right way to go. Take Frayed Ends' SA for example, it boost her dmg by 50% on bleeding foes, BHD isn't as good but still increases crit rate.

So I'm not sure if the best thing is going for your standard offensive stat distribution (here it would be 5 atk%, 3 piercing, 3 special cooldown and a mix of crit boosts), or is it better to go for a more defensive set, with 100% block prof (3-5 stats slots), 5 hp%, 3 special cooldown, mix of defense/accuracy? Also, this is mostly referring to BHD but applies to any filia with bleeding SA's in general, is accuracy even worth it considering that you need at least 2 ringlet spikes in a set like this? Remember that accuracy does not apply to the first cut and ringlet spike's effect.

Now, about Filia's SAs in general when you want a set like this. Is it really even that important? I mean, a lot of people say that BHD is one of the best Filias but considering you have ringlet spike that guarantees bleed and does a ton of damage (so you really don't lose that much when you build a set like the one in the pic compared to having a set with a lot of blockbusters), you can say that pretty much any other Filia can do what BHD's SA can do but even better since they have their own SA. Heck, even her bronze duo, Frayed Ends is already better than her because of the 50% dmg boost.

''Oh but if you're using BHD you won't have to rely on ringlet spike''. Well, if you won't use ringlet spike in a bleeding set it is just not worth going for it at all. You're trying to get the bleeds as extra dmg, it is not your focus if you don't have ringlet spike, plus BHD's attack if super low, you need those bleeds, they need to be your focus on her (on an optimal use of her, anyway), and the best way to get it is with ringlet spike.

Lastly, about Marquees. If we have 2 or 3 ringlet spikes, is the first cut really that necessary? Hear me out first before calling me crazy. This kind of goes back to the first question since if you're going for the more defensive build I said, TFC will be practically mandatory since you won't be dealing that much dmg by yourself.

But let's say you went with and offensive build. In this case, on a high PF streak for example, you'll be taking a lot of dmg with FE or BHD while you're blocking and since you deal more dmg outside of the bleeds, the HP you get back could really come in handy. I mean, 2 blocked chairs from a strong beowulf almost kills that BHD in the pic (her stats aren't optimal but they are offensive atm), and the 3 ringlet spike combo does a ton of damage by itself even when you don't take the bleeding into account. Plus, if you have a lot of special cooldown (as a good offensive set like this should have), when those 5 stacks you inflicted with the ringlet spike combo ends, you'll be already good to use it again.

So you basically revived yourself to take another blocked barrage, inflicted 5 stacks of bleed and is already set to do it again. If you had TFC, sure, those 5 stacks would be permanent since drillationship is on the set to make sure they get perma bleed, but you're probably going to have to intercept a dashing attack (if they dash) now or you'll end up dying. See what I mean? And it's not just beowulfs that can do this with their chair. Robo fortune's lasers, Peocock's bombs, big band's unflinch dash (almost impossible to intercept it reliably with filia), any blocked BB or Guest Star hits... All of these things will eat your life even if you block with this offenive set in a high streak. So again, I know it seems counter intuitive. but considering all I said, is the first cut really the right way to go on bleeding set if you have offensive stat investment?

 

[Kheul]

There is one thing I don't understand, why are you talking like everyone is suggesting you to go The First Cut on Filia? I thought everyone favored Leech? Don't get me wrong TFC isn't bad at all, Leech is just that good.

There are units like Unfazed and Masked Menace which are used offensively but don't need any offensive (ATK, Piercing) stats. I don't think I can put Filia to that tier of not requiring offensive stats. You are going to inflict those bleeds with Ringlet Spikes which by itself does high direct damage, might as well capitalize it and utilize Attack stat to further enhance your offense.

As Filia's Marquees are superb critless isn't much of an option.

It sounds like your point of view is highly PF based. I see your point, the higher the streak, the less effective your direct damage becomes. That said she still works in higher tier streaks with pure offensive stats you just gotta don't force Filia against high ATK defenders like Beo. Against those type of defenders you don't even need bleed, they'll just die with few hits anyways.

Even if you force Filia against high-ATK defenders you still have an ace in the hole, her character ability, Evade. When you get used to it (and AI patterns) you can just completely nullify their projectiles or command grabs.

You can definitely intercept Big Band with Filia as her first hits are quite fast, it isn't so hard as you think.

Generally speaking I don't think accuracy is mandatory, but I plan to do an ATK, Piercing, Accuracy, Meter Gain build for rifts and Shear Force. You don't need Special Cooldown if you are planning to make the moves +15 as it innately reduces the base cooldown of the special moves significantly.

Accuracy still matters though, even though Ringlet is guaranteed to inflict bleed it still needs to go through opponent's resistance check, also it should help by increasing Drillationship's buff removal chance (if opponent has no resistance).

So, if you wanna force a Bronze/silver Filia against a high-atk defender TFC + max block prof doesn't sound bad if you don't want to risk with trying to Evade. Other cases Leech will recover the chip damage you receive anyways so that build is gonna be somewhat niche.

But hey, I like playing with different playstyles myself, if a tanky TFC Filia sounds interesting to you go for it. Objectively speaking, it makes sense to go max Block Prof if you are not going Leech as Filia's health pool is quite low. I think Max Block Prof with offensive stats (Accuracy > Meter Gain > [If your moves aren't +15, Special Cooldown] > Piercing) should work, Health and Defense would be overkill.

As for my own opinion about a tank TFC Filia, I think there are better, more efficient units for the same role.

 

[PHPP]

There is one thing I don't understand, why are you talking like everyone is suggesting you to go The First Cut on Filia? I thought everyone favored Leech? Don't get me wrong TFC isn't bad at all, Leech is just that good.

There are units like Unfazed and Masked Menace which are used offensively but don't need any offensive (ATK, Piercing) stats. I don't think I can put Filia to that tier of not requiring offensive stats. You are going to inflict those bleeds with Ringlet Spikes which by itself does high direct damage, might as well capitalize it and utilize Attack stat to further enhance your offense.

As Filia's Marquees are superb critless isn't much of an option.

It sounds like your point of view is highly PF based. I see your point, the higher the streak, the less effective your direct damage becomes. That said she still works in higher tier streaks with pure offensive stats you just gotta don't force Filia against high ATK defenders like Beo. Against those type of defenders you don't even need bleed, they'll just die with few hits anyways.

Even if you force Filia against high-ATK defenders you still have an ace in the hole, her character ability, Evade. When you get used to it (and AI patterns) you can just completely nullify their projectiles or command grabs.

You can definitely intercept Big Band with Filia as her first hits are quite fast, it isn't so hard as you think.

Generally speaking I don't think accuracy is mandatory, but I plan to do an ATK, Piercing, Accuracy, Meter Gain build for rifts and Shear Force. You don't need Special Cooldown if you are planning to make the moves +15 as it innately reduces the base cooldown of the special moves significantly.

Accuracy still matters though, even though Ringlet is guaranteed to inflict bleed it still needs to go through opponent's resistance check, also it should help by increasing Drillationship's buff removal chance (if opponent has no resistance).

So, if you wanna force a Bronze/silver Filia against a high-atk defender TFC + max block prof doesn't sound bad if you don't want to risk with trying to Evade. Other cases Leech will recover the chip damage you receive anyways so that build is gonna be somewhat niche.

But hey, I like playing with different playstyles myself, if a tanky TFC Filia sounds interesting to you go for it. Objectively speaking, it makes sense to go max Block Prof if you are not going Leech as Filia's health pool is quite low. I think Max Block Prof with offensive stats (Accuracy > Meter Gain > [If your moves aren't +15, Special Cooldown] > Piercing) should work, Health and Defense would be overkill.

As for my own opinion about a tank TFC Filia, I think there are better, more efficient units for the same role.

thank you! that was really helpful!