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[Guide] How to get the best value for your theonite

Erick Draves

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I buyed once the squigly once per player pack 11 squigly relics. (yeeeees... hidden variable tried to sell it to me latter, agaaaain, "once per player you won´t get this opportunity twice buy it again but just for this time promise LOL". But I can´t hate you guys, HV for lifeeee!). No luck at all...

Soooo, latter I spend 2000 theos in a 10+1 squigly pack (Like level 58-60 I think). Got Bio and Dead of whinter!!!, and that´s the last time I buyed 10+1 packs buyed one for my little one with the theos os roockie pack and... baaam... Surgeon general.

Made the numbers and yeeeees, we were soooo, sooooooooooo lucky, becasue every day at forums and in fb group everyone is mad at their 10+1 openings... So now I just buy 50,000 canopy coins relics in cabinet, because they are waaaaay more cheaper!!...
 
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So should prolly be noted that this also seems to make the 10k theo pack with 10+1 relic packs for all characters obsolete as well.

Unless my badness at math is showing, for 10k theonite you can get 230 premiere relics by doing gold conversions.

The 10k pack would only have 154 (165 with the character coming this fall)
 

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So should prolly be noted that this also seems to make the 10k theo pack with 10+1 relic packs for all characters obsolete as well.

Unless my badness at math is showing, for 10k theonite you can get 230 premiere relics by doing gold conversions.

The 10k pack would only have 154 (165 with the character coming this fall)
Technically this is true, but for me, the 10k Theo character bundle is the only “guaranteed” way to get a new fighter when first released. I bought it when Fukua dropped and have no regrets. Will do it again with brand new chara. But if you’re not in a hurry, just keep buying the CoC premier relics for maximum value until the next patch :)
 

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you both make good points! While coin purchases is the clear winner in amount of relics for our theonite, some people might have other motivations for spending their theo on something else. So I wouldn't call other purchases obsolete! It's nice that they have different methods to gain relics for those with specific needs or wants, we just gotta make sure we give new players the right information :)

Me, for example.. I'm spending my theonite on 10+1 Ms. Fortune and Robo-Fortune relics, because I desperately want more of them, and then I also buy their relics from the cabinet on top of that. For me, that maximizes the amount of their relics i can get, even if it ends up being more expensive.
 

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Extremely enlightening information !
I had an inkling that Relics would be preferable for specific characters considering that the Cabinet is quite generous.
 

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Thanks for posting the math on this!
It's worth noting that v4.2's Hyper Ultimate Variety Pack sits in between the two options you analyzed in terms of efficiency.

Per 10,000 Theonite:

Premiere 10+1 Vouchers: 110 Relics (as ten 10+1 vouchers), with an average yield of ...
  • 82 Bronze fighters
  • 23.2 Silver fighters
  • 8.2 4.2 Gold fighters
  • 0.6 Diamond fighters
  • 4400 relic shards
Hyper Ultimate Variety Pack: 154 Relics (as fourteen 10+1 vouchers), with an average yield of ...
  • 114.8 Bronze fighters
  • 32.48 Silver fighters
  • 11.48 5.88 Gold fighters
  • 0.84 Diamond fighters
  • 6160 relic shards
  • Guaranteed exactly 11 fighters for each character, with at least one Silver-or-better for each
Canopy Coins: 230 Premiere relics (6.25 purchases of 1,840,000 coins = 11,500,000 coins), with an average yield of ...
  • 188.6 Bronze fighters
  • 32.2 Silver fighters
  • 8.05 Gold fighters
  • 1.15 Diamond fighters
  • 9200 relic shards
The Hyper Pack gives slightly more natural Gold Fighters for your Theonite on average, but coin purchases more than make up for it with the sheer volume of natural-Bronze fodder and relic shards they offer -- both in terms of potential skill points and eventual Gold-to-Diamond upgrade materials. 74 Bronzes and the three extra Silver Relics they give you can be melted down into four Golds, compared to the three-ish extra nat-Golds the Hyper Pack offers. Raising even half of those Bronzes to level 30 also gives more skill points than raising three Golds to 50, for much less total experience required.

EDIT: I originally read the 0.82 probability-per-relic for Bronzes as 0.82 probability-per-10+1 for Golds, leading to some incorrect numbers and conclusions. Don't maths while tired, kids. :^P
I saw on youtube that the same pack costs 5k theonite in holiday season (christmas maybe I'm not sure), are coins still more valuable than this pack in this case?
 
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I saw on youtube that the same pack costs 5k theonite in holiday season (christmas maybe I'm not sure), are coins still more valuable than this pack in this case?
Yes, when/if the Hyper Ultimate Variety Pack is on sale for 5k Theo (ATM, only seen during the Holiday season PF) that is the better deal (for 5k Theo).
This variety pack gets slightly better with each new character added to it, as it adds 11 relics.

Here's the quick napkin math:

5K Theo = 165 character relics (with 15 being guaranteed silver characters)
5K Theo -> 5,580,000 Canopy Coin = 111 Premiere Relics from the Cabinet

Now if Umbrella makes to SMG by the Holidays...that Variety pack gets better with 176 relics!

For 10k Theo; conversion to coins is still the better yield for Premier Relics from the Cabinet with 225 (technically 226 if you convert the remainder of the 10k after 1.84M 6 times)

BTW, the roster of characters would need to be 21 to finally out value relics from the cabinet...some day, right?