Backstage pass is here .................... and im loving it

[crownd]

Free version


LVL1-10 : 25k coins ,25 theo , 1move relic , 5 2k exp treats , 25k coins , 1retake relic , 10 skill point , 10 elemental fragments , 10 rift coins , 25k coins , custom avatar
LVL11-20 : 1 energy refill , 2 10k exp treats , 10 skill points ,10 elemental shards , 1 4h exp boost , 1 catalyst relic , 1 retake relic , 25 k coins , 10 elemntal shards , 25 theo
LVL21-30 : 5 10k exp treats , 10 skill point , 25 elemntal shards , 25 k coins , 1 monthly relic , 1 move relic , 1 catalyst relic , 25 theo , 1 gold key , 100k coins
LVL31-40 : 1 4h exp boost , 1 elemntal relic ,10 elemntal shards , 25 theo , 1 retake relic , 25k coins , 10 skill points , 10 elemental shards , 2 energy refills , 1 normal relics
LVL41-50 : 25k coins , 1 retake relic , 10 rift coins , 25 k coins , custom avatar , 10 skill points , 1 gold key , 25 theo , 3 monthly relics


TOTAL

coins	theonite	skill points	keys	energy refills	12h exp boost	4h exp boost	rift coins	Custom avatar
25+25+25+ 25+25+25+ 25+25	25+25+25+ 25+25	10+10+10+ 10+10	1 gold+ 1gold	1+2	0	1+1	10+10	1+1
200k	125	50		3		2	20	2
elemental relics	elemntal shards	normal relics	monthly relics	character relics	catalyst relic	retake relic	universal relic	move relic
1	10+10+10+ 10+25	1	1+3		1	1+1+1		1+1
	55		4			3		2

Paid version-10 usa$


LVL1-10 : custom avatar , 100 theo , 10 retakes relics , 5 10k exp treats , 100k coins , 3 universal retake relics , 50 skillpoints , 50 elemental fragments , 50 rift coins , 100k coins , monthly relic
LVL11-20 :5 energy refills , 5 50k exp treats , 50 skill points , 3 4h exp boosts , 3 catalyst relics , 3 universal retake relics , 100k coins , 50 elemental shards , 50 theonite
LVL21-30 : 5 50k exp treats , 50 skill points , 3 elemental relics , 100k coins , 3 month relic , 10 move relics , 5 catalyst relic , 50 theo ,1 gold key , 3 character relic
LVL31-40 : 1 12h exp boost , 3 elemental relics , 50 elemental shards , 50 theo , 1 custom avatar , 100k coins , 50 skill points , 50 elemental shards , 5 energy refills , 2 monthly relics
LVL41-50 : 100k coins , 3 universal retake relics , 50 rift coins , 100k coins , 1 elemental essence , 50 skill points , 100k coins , 1 diamond key , 100 theo , 1 gold variant (maybe exclusive , dont know atm )



TOTAL

coins	theonite	skill points	keys	energy refills	12h exp boost	4h exp boost	rift coins	Custom avatar
100+100+ 100+100+ 100+100+ 100+100	100+50+50+ 50+100	50+50+50+ 50+50	1gold+ 1 diamond	5+5	1	3	50+50	1+1
800k	250	250		10			100
elemental relics	elemntal shards	normal relics	monthly relics	character relics	catalyst relic	retake relic	universal relic	move relic
3	50+50+50		1+3+2	3	3+5	10	3+3+3	10
	150		6		8		9

Now i dont consider exp as that much of a big deal , personally i only use them when im very close to level up to save a energy refill .
I will calculate the value of irl currency from things u can buy or convert ingame (if relevant i leave in UK so i am calculating in pounds ) . I will use the in store cheapest pack ,but the math stays the same if u dont consider the bonuses
250 theo =4,49£ 250/4.5 = 55.67 theonite per 0.1£ spent roughly 50theo per pound spent
ALSO 16k coins =40 theo 16k/40= 400 coins per 1 theo spent 20kcoins=50theo
This will be the baseline of all my comparisons ( *i am aware that is not the best way of buying theo , but i dont count the obvious incentive of the packs that DO have bonuses , is just a realistic exhange rate*)
I will only count what i consider to be relevant and i will not be pedantic about the values ( please remeber that im not calculating the PRECISE value , is just a ROUGH ideea)

	FREE-TOTAL	INGAME EXCHANGE	CURRENCY VALUE £		PAID-TOTAL	INGAME EXCHANGE	CURRENCY VALUE £
COINS	200K	OVERvalue 280 theo	5.6		800k	UNDERvalue 640 theo	12.8
theonite	125		2.25		250		4.5
skill points*	50				250
keys	2 gold	320k coins	6.4		1gold 1dia	960kcoins	19.2
12h exp boost					1	300	6
4h exp boost	2	300 theo	6		3	450	9
elemental relics **	1		UNDERvalue 3		3	500	10
monthly relics***	4	2K theo	40		6	3k theo	60
FINAL COMPARISON			63.25				184

*-i didnt had a direct way of ingame exchange
**i did rounded up the elemntal shards to make up for the 500 theo -3relicks 50shards pack
*** i must admit i double checked the math and there is no mistake ,altrough i still find it unbelievable,
for arguments sake i will ignore it myself


I will like to personally thank the developers for being so incredibly generous . HANDs DOWN the best monetization i ever seen in a game .

 

[Tsukiakari]

I was thinking of sumerize the pass and let someone else did the math to see if the backstage pass is worth it or not, but you just one step ahead of me so thank you.

Just some caculate suggestion.

Because the pass run for the whole month, you should compare it to the value of the subcription pack which give 2 million coin and 3300 theonite in total. I don't know the price tags on your end so I can't calculate it so I left it to you.

 

[evilgordo]

The monthly subscriptions:

3300 Theo = $5
2M CC = $3

The Subs Vs BP comparison is a bit easier if you just total the CC and Theo values of both BP rewards tracks:
CC value = 2,280,000
Theo value = 9,225*
1 Guaranteed 'Early Access' Gold Fighter of the Month

*low estimate, total does not factor in Energy refills, Gold Move and Catalyst relics, XP treats, Elemental Shard/essences or Universal Retakes/Retake Relics

So, the $10 Battle Pass seriously out values the $8 in Subscriptions...only if you were gonna spend Theo/CC on those items anyway.
Keep in mind, 1.28M of the CC value in the BP are the keys. And only 375 of the Theo value in the BP is actually Theo, the rest is in relics and other stuff.

This was a good exercise and now seeing all the value laid out in front of me...I've reconsidered purchasing a BP. The value is tied up in stuff and I get plenty of that stuff playing the game already; the Free Track is more than enough for my ROI.

 

[crownd]

I was thinking of sumerize the pass and let someone else did the math to see if the backstage pass is worth it or not, but you just one step ahead of me so thank you.

Just some caculate suggestion.

Because the pass run for the whole month, you should compare it to the value of the subcription pack which give 2 million coin and 3300 theonite in total. I don't know the price tags on your end so I can't calculate it so I left it to you.

for me theo pack is 4.49 so 4.50£ =1.8k theo APROX 400theo per1£ spent
coin pack is 2.50 ( i got confused if i added 2 £ from google pay rewards or not ,so i will consider it 4,50 aswell ) 4.50£ = 2mil coins APROX 440k coins per 1£ spent
backstage pass is 8.99 APROX 13 £ ingame per 1 £ spent *
*i dont count the free+paid rewards , i only talk about what the PAID gets you , and even then i think i undercalculate by around min 40%

 

[crownd]

For me is hilarious when i see people not doing the math first and just saying 10 £ is not worth for the energy refills , rift coins , elemntal shards etc . DDDDDDDDDD lol DDDDDDDDDDD
Just the elemntal essence is 1250 theo alone and the diamond key is 17£ just saying

 

[Tsukiakari]

The monthly subscriptions:

3300 Theo = $5
2M CC = $3

The Subs Vs BP comparison is a bit easier if you just total the CC and Theo values of both BP rewards tracks:
CC value = 2,280,000
Theo value = 9,225*
1 Guaranteed 'Early Access' Gold Fighter of the Month

*low estimate, total does not factor in Energy refills, Gold Move and Catalyst relics, XP treats, Elemental Shard/essences or Universal Retakes/Retake Relics

So, the $10 Battle Pass seriously out values the $8 in Subscriptions...only if you were gonna spend Theo/CC on those items anyway.
Keep in mind, 1.28M of the CC value in the BP are the keys. And only 375 of the Theo value in the BP is actually Theo, the rest is in relics and other stuff.

This was a good exercise and now seeing all the value laid out in front of me...I've reconsidered purchasing a BP. The value is tied up in stuff and I get plenty of that stuff playing the game already; the Free Track is more than enough for my ROI.

look at your analyze I realize something: The BP is a contradicting thing itself

The value is tied up in stuff and I get plenty of that stuff playing the game already

-> Only if you are an endgame players, then you can get consitent stuff like CC, theo and diamond key (which imo the best thing in premium track, except for the guarantee monthly fighter) from 10% prize fight and being Diamond rank in Rift.
-> The premium track benefit newer players that can't easily get their hand on those thing.
This is where the BP being contradict itself. Some or all Monthly track mission can only be done by endgame player,struggely, spending 5 million CC, 5k, 10k skill points, dealing 50k, 100k damage in one hit. And if you can't complete those big monthly mission, you can't complete the track, and it make BP a waste of money.

So the only thing worthwhile for endgame player is the guarantee gold monthly fighter, and paying 10$ for a gold fighter, that me personally won't touch for a log time is not worth it imo.

 

[crownd]

look at your analyze I realize something: The BP is a contradicting thing itself

The value is tied up in stuff and I get plenty of that stuff playing the game already

-> Only if you are an endgame players, then you can get consitent stuff like CC, theo and diamond key (which imo the best thing in premium track, except for the guarantee monthly fighter) from 10% prize fight and being Diamond rank in Rift.
-> The premium track benefit newer players that can't easily get their hand on those thing.
This is where the BP being contradict itself. Some or all Monthly track mission can only be done by endgame player,struggely, spending 5 million CC, 5k, 10k skill points, dealing 50k, 100k damage in one hit. And if you can't complete those big monthly mission, you can't complete the track, and it make BP a waste of money.

So the only thing worthwhile for endgame player is the guarantee gold monthly fighter, and paying 10$ for a gold fighter, that me personally won't touch for a log time is not worth it imo.

OK , i will like to see for myself how completing the battle pass will actualy go down .

• To progress along the rewards track you’ll need to complete Goals. These are mostly things you’ll be doing anyway, similar to the Daily Missions, and they come in three varieties: Daily, Weekly and Monthly. Be sure to check back every day to maximize the Goals you can complete!
  
  You don't need to complete EVERY goal to complete the Backstage Pass, so you can choose which Goals to aim for.

I will try my best to put that statement to the test for myself .
RIght now i am at lvl 17 and seems like every lvl will be 1k exp per level , i will asumme every level is 1k exp 50lvls x 1k exp = 50 k exp to get everything . I will work backwards from now .

MONTHLY
-LONGSTREAK 4X IN PRIZE FIGHT =2K EXP
1 main carry with 2 lvl1 bronzes ( reccomend a beowulf or a fillia with leech)
-100K HIT OR THROW =1,5K EXP
high lvl single hit moves , precision , elemental advantage ,deathmark maybe inner pieces sheningans
i personally did it with a shelter support and criminal mind with diamons are forever , precision silentscope primed , phantom thread 3 enrages bb3 , miss fortune BB3 , painwheel pinion dash
-50K HIT OR THROW = 1.5K EXP
see above
-100 ACCURSED X 2 = 1,750 EXP
2 weeks and is done passively
-30 PF STREAK = 1,750 EXP
just picking the weakest team can get you around 12 -14 easy streak , then is up to the player . personally i recommend beowulfs for brain-dead prize fighting
-15 PF STREAK = 1,750 EXP
see above
-21 FLOORS IN PARALLEL REALMS = 1,5K EXP
3floors x 7 realms =21 we will have 2 realms per week . completing realms for 3.5 weeks will complete the task passively (you can even skip 1 realm per month and still do it )(maybe rough in leap years in february DD )
-80 DAILY EVENTS = 1.5K EXP
4tickets/day 80/4=20 days - passively done with aprox 10 days of inacctivity
- EVOLVE 20 CHARATERS = 2K EXP
i reccomend evolving bronzes and silvers
-20PA LEVELS = 1.750 EXP
1 bronze =2lvls 1 silver=4lvls 1 gold=10 lvls 1diamond=20 lvls
so you will need 10 bronze 5 silvers 2 golds 1 diamond (over a month thats super easy )
-LEVEL UP A MOVE OR REROLL 50 TIMES =1.5K EXP
it cost 2k coins to upgrade a BRONZE move to lvl 4 50 / 4 =12.5 moves so aproxx 13 moves 13moves x 2k coins = 26k coins and the mission is done
-10 MONTHLY AND/OR DIA MONTHLY RELICS =1.5K EXP
4 relics from the FREE battle pass 6 from the PAID battle pass +4 relics by completing the monthly + 2 relics from top31%-60% rewards = 10 relics FREE version OR 12 relics PAID version,
might be hard for new players to complete but a 150 mil / 30 days = 5mil/day will get you there
-4 MONTHLY AND/OR DIA MONTHLY RELICS
see above
-5MIL COINS = 1.5K EXP

Tier	Coins
Bronze	487,000
Silver	974,000
Gold	2,435,000
Diamond	4,870,000

so 5 silver or 2 golds or 1 diamond all with no MA OR

15 (BBs & SMs only)

1,000,000

2,935,000

1,472,500

a couple of moves
* i will not calculate the new income in-game but could do in the future , my impression is that u can get 5mil /4weeks =1,250,000/week rather easily between all the daily ,pf , rift and realms rewards
-SPEND 10K SKILL POINTS = 1.5K EXP

Tier	Skill Points	Skill Points for Marquee
Bronze	223	550
Silver	446	1,100
Gold	1,115	2,750
Diamond	2,230	5,500

might be a hard one but could do it while doing the PA level mission , i dont think think is worth it
-SPEND 5K SKILL POINTS =1.5K EXP
see above , but i consider that is realistically achievable
TOTAL
1.5+1.5+1.5+1.5+1.5+1.5++1.75+2+1.5+1.5+1.75+1.75+1.75+1.5+1.5+2 = 23 k exp= 23 levels


WEEKLY
-25 RIFT NODES = 1.25K EXP
25 nodes / 6 per base= 4 wins and a bit , a issue only if u completly HATE rifts or utterly begginer
-3 HOLODECKS =750 EXP
7days x 4tickets = 28 tickets/week - 1ticket for accursed= 27 tickets.
with marie coming soon we will have 4 days of x3 character per day , there might be a forced choice to spend tickets on holodeck . not a big fan personally unless adding some extra tickets
-3 FLOORS IN PARALEL = 750 EXP
done easily and passively
-25 PF WINS = 750 EXP
done easily and passively
-15 DEPLOYMENTS = 500 EXP
done easily and passively 5 deployments/day x3 days =15 deployments
-1MIL COINS = 750 EXP
find it hard to believe not spending 1 mil/week , also helps with the monthly version of this mission
-10 PREMIERE RELICS = 200 EXP
10 relics x 50k coins ( buying them from cabinet )= 500k coins and is done ( not counting deployments , rewards etc )
-20 GOLD GIFTS =200 EXP
done easily and passively
-2 XP BOOSTS = 150 EXP
done easily and passively
-10 EXP TREATS = 150 EXP
done easily and passively
TOTAL
(1.25+0.75+0.75+0.75+0.5+0.75+0.2+0.2+0.15+0.15 = 5.45 K EXP / week )x4weeks = 21.8K EXP / month
so 21 lvls
DAILY

- DAILY OPS 100% = 150EXP
done easily and passively (1 deployment , 1 gift , 1 relic , 1 upgrade move , 1 upgrade skill node on a fighter , log in , open the cabinet , win a prizefight match )
-DAILY FREE GIFT IN STORE = 150EXP
done easily and passively
- DAILY EVENT TICKETS =150EXP
done easily and passively
-SPEND 100K COINS = 150EXP
might not be completed but works towards the weekly and monthly versions of this mission

TOTAL
( 0.15 X 4 = 0.6 K/day ) X 30 days = 18 k / month so 18 lvls

CONCLUSION​

total possible = 18 (daily) +21 (weekly) + 23 (monthly) = 62 lvls
That leaves you with 12k exp or 12 levels that can be ignored


LEGEND (for the individual missions ) - EASY - MEDIUM - HARD *

* i count from the perspective of a player who might play for around 3-4 months or lvl 50 or fresh 70
(OR an account who is almost mid game ) (my point is that i didnt consider the task from my perspective , just how i was in the beggining of the game )

 

[evilgordo]

This is where the BP being contradict itself. Some or all Monthly track mission can only be done by endgame player,struggely, spending 5 million CC, 5k, 10k skill points, dealing 50k, 100k damage in one hit. And if you can't complete those big monthly mission, you can't complete the track, and it make BP a waste of money.

I woke up this morning thinking the same thing: in order to max out to BP lvl 50, you'll have to spend resources equal, if not more, than what you'll earn in rewards/value.

Only if you are an endgame players, then you can get consitent stuff like CC, theo and diamond key (which imo the best thing in premium track, except for the guarantee monthly fighter) from 10% prize fight and being Diamond rank in Rift.

I dunno, even without getting top PF % or Diamond Rift Rank, you get lots of in-game stuff per month, especially CC and Theo.

Dia Key is the best thing on the paid track? I dunno...The Dia Key in BP is lvl 48...I don't see an early player maxing out the BP easily...while the Reward Calendar gives everyone 1 Diamond key a (22 days of log in) month, an RNG chance each week with AE and just farming Rift Coins each week can get you one from CoC pretty reliably.

I mean, it is obvious the BP goals are designed to match the players (already normal) game activity. But some of the more lofty goals may well be designed to encourage players to do more and/or spent more resource than they already have.

Every player is at different stages of progress and play SGM differently, so the perceived value of the BP will vary player to player. I think the biggest issue for players with the BP is FOMO. Which in this case I think is unwarranted; outside of the 'exclusive' avatars, there is noting in the BP that you can't earn elsewhere in the game. Personally, since you can pay the Premium at any time, I'd recommend seeing how far you can get on the track in 27-8 days (remember, this BP time frame is longer that usual) and if you feel those paid rewards are still worth it, then buy the Premium track.