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What are these ridiculous gold rates...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by nopantsu, May 27, 2017.

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  1. Osterus

    Osterus Active Member

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    I bought 100 kinder surprise eggs but did not get the toy that I like!

    Refund!!

    What's the Rate of this toy %!??? Tell me now! Scam!!!

    Mooom!!! wahhh!!! This company took my money even though I willingly bought it! For SciencE!!!
     
  2. TeitoWolf

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    Osterus, please try to stay respectful and not ignite any avoidable agruements.
     
  3. DAVIDTH

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    Sounds like this guy is from the MCOC forums asking for refunds and calling scams lol
     
  4. DireRaven

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    Being fair, most blind bag toys do have their drop rates (for lack of a better term) on the packaging (e.g. "Tier: RARE, 1 in 24 boxes!").
     
  5. DarkaiXeno

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    At least Zug did say that the rates are over 3% so thats at least reassuring that you'll one day get a gold so log as you keep playing.


    Its not as bad as you're making it out to be. Theres an older app called summoners war and the rates to get a natural 5* character (the highest you can get) is UNDER 0.05%. Multiple people dumped thousands and thousands of dollars in that game but still havent gotten a nat 5. I've been playing that same game as a F2P for around 4 years now, summoned around 500 scrolls, and still havent gotten my nat5.


    That being said, I can understand your frustration of not getting a gold character, people just have bad luck at times, but at the same time, this game is a hell of a lot more generous than what you're making it out to be.

    The drop rate chances of getting a high character is over 60x that of the rates of summoners war, so I can almost garuntee, that someone who usually has bad luck as me, can still get a gold character eventually from pulls, you can do the same.
     
  6. nopantsu

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    Quick google search shows a .5% rate for 5*s over 82.7k logs

    https://swarfarm.com/data/log/summons/mystical-scroll/

    Abysmal rate, but 10x higher than you claimed

    @TeitoWolf as for your cereal argument, we don't know if anything was wrong with the cereal or not. My point is I got an extremely bad return even among gacha games for the money spent. And thanks for reminding that other guy to stay in check, at this point he's getting more emotionally invested than me.
     
  7. Karby64

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    Asking for a refund is pretty ridiculous. That's like going to a casino, dropping a ton of money on slots, then going to the owner demanding a refund because you didn't win the jackpot.
     
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  8. nopantsu

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    Slot machines are regulated and programmed to pay out a certain percentage of their earnings, up to 98%

    At a casino you can look up rates for the games before you play them and they're federally regulated. If the exact rates were displayed before the pull I would agree with your point.

    http://www.slotmachinebasics.com/more-slot-machines/payout-rates.html
     
  9. Karby64

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    Okay, so it's your fault for taking the risk not knowing the drop rates.

    You took the dive in spending loads of money for digital characters. I haven't paid a single cent and I've gotten at least one gold character, and so has my friend.

    Don't blame the game if you're going to be reckless with your money.
     
  10. nopantsu

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    So you're saying that it's my fault for not proceeding as if the game's rates/algorithm/devs are predatory, and there's no problems with terrible rates at zero transparency. That's a fair statement I suppose and this thread exists to warn others that would spend.

    Also, for data:

    How many pulls total?

    Was it from premium, silver/gold or 10+1 bonus?

    EDIT:
    As an aside, I find it interesting that the majority of players are okay with a few players paying decent sums of money and receiving no gold, as though it is a matter of course. To the people disagreeing: what are your top 5 most played games currently?
     
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  11. PukePile

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    I've had similar poor luck with the relics as free to play - I just opened a second Shard to Get relic meaning I've received 50 characters total and I have 0 gold cards and 8 silver cards. Of those 8, only 3 came from premiere relics. The others are from Prize Fight rewards (2), Shard to Get (2), and guaranteed Silver relic from Story mode (1). I like this game quite a bit but I don't think I'd ever spend any real money on it with those kind of odds. I've also reached the point where it's pretty hard to progress the non-PVP modes with just silvers, and I've encountered a few treasure levels that require a gold character as well, which I cannot even attempt.
     
  12. Karby64

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    I dunno I'd say that it was my 15th pull or so. And it was a single pull from a peacock relic.
    The game really doesn't owe you anything. You took the gamble and lost. The devs don't owe you your money back either. These gatcha games are based on random luck and you should know that.

    Just because you spend hundreds of dollars on other gatcha games doesn't mean you're entitled to special treatment.

    EDIT: And for the record, yes these pull rates are pretty low and that can be problematic for the people who just want to pay to win. But it honestly doesn't bother me because when I feel like I'm ready to pay for a microtransaction, it won't be for a character but to support the devs because I'm having a blast with the game and I want to show my support.
     
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  13. TeitoWolf

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    Currently on mobile; Skullgirls, Steredenn, Death Road to Canada, King of Dragon Pass, and Fire Emblem:Heroes. Also, side-remark I'm sure hypothetical cereal doesn't have usually problems.

    Back to the problem, nopatsu you must understand that most players would not see this as a problem. Many players are not whales who have money to burn and would not feel sympathy to people who simply want to have the best stuff by throwing money at a game and having the best things fall into their hands. As far as fairness is concerned, most players would be okay. As far as monetary returns go, it's still a RNG-based system which regardless of how much you throw at it, can still dick you over.
     
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  14. DAVIDTH

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    Too be honest I'm a bit happy that he didn't get golds from just spending a ton of money, shows that the system isn't P2W, yes it's a bit bad that it'll have people be less inclined to spend, but at least the other 95% of non whales won't feel cheated that you can just pay and dominate over others
     
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  15. Cellsai

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    This thread is pretty ridiculous! That aside if you keep playing the game no money spent you shouldn't be in this problem! Like me, I always hoped to get myself a gold that I manily use during beta and soft launch (I don't wanna get a painwheel or big band since they're kinda fragile but strong) I pulled out one of my mains during premiere relic (Hair apperant Filia) you can also evolve characters to gold also! Besides every relic is based on rng. Don't whine about refunding it's like spending 5$ on a spongebob popsicle and when you open it, it's a horrible terrifying monster and you go back to the store for a refund. It's your choice to spend you can't turn back time, and i'm not trying to start a riot here or anything, i'm trying to say that it's your choice to spend or not and why you shouldn't whine about refunding!


    edit:It's not our problem that you spent that amount of money, it's yours, not ours, don't whine about refunding, it was your choice, besides being that salty isn't gonna lead you nowhere at all! It's the devs choice to make golds rare due to it being one of the strongest palletes! You can attend prize fights inorder to win gold characters! But if your gonna stand around being salty and complaining about refunding, it's gonna lead you to nowhere!
     
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  17. Osterus

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    It's called RNG.

    I am Okay with players receiving no golds from 100 pulls and receiving 100 golds from 100 pulls.

    Again, RNG is RNG.
     
  18. nopantsu

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    Mods feel free to close this thread and let it sink to the bottom. It's not generating any useful discussion. Rates are posted, despite all my salt that's all I really wanted. Devs enjoy the money, it's not much to pay for good art.
     
  19. Cellsai

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    I was going to close this after you got to respond anyway. Thanks for being so courteous.

    For further discussion about Relic Drop rates can y'all go over here: http://forum.skullgirlsmobile.com/threads/official-fighter-relic-loot-rates.213/
     
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