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Eliza and Queen Lamia [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Story & Skullgirls Universe' started by cappatacus, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. cappatacus

    cappatacus Active Member

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    So, I've watched back through the original stories recently, and there was one thing that caught my eye.

    In Eliza's story, Double says that Eliza killed her daughters. In another story, I think Double's, we see Aeon and Venus playing Skullgirls in some greater dimension. We know that Double is Queen Lamia, or the Great Mother, and her daughters are definitely in reference to Aeon and Venus. But they're clearly still alive, so why does Double say Eliza killed them?

    If the daughters were killed, then does that mean the place they're in is an afterlife? And in that case, is the Skullheart their attempt at taking revenge on the normal world?

    Or, maybe Double lived with them in the "afterlife" and was killed by Eliza, which in reality just sent her into the normal world, seperating her from her daughters.

    That seems less likely to me, since inside the Grand Cathedral, there's stained glass windows of Aeon, Venus, and Lamia. So, they must have appeared to humans at some point and lived with them.

    I wonder why Eliza killed them though?
    Were they just caught in the crossfire of the Parasite War, or were they intentionally sought out? Also, if they have some sort of deity status, how did Eliza manage to kill them?

    This doesn't have a lot of focus, I just wanted to ramble about the lore because I find it interesting. Let me know if there's information I overlooked!
     
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  2. Veeko

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    Yeah, most of this isn’t really clear. My opinion is that Eliza sought to kill Lamia and her daughters specifically so she could take her place as queen, but that’s not confirmed. Another opinion I have is that she did, in fact, kill them, but either them having more powerful parasites than most- Kronos and Abaddon having the ability to manipulate time and space, having that sort of interdimensional aspect to them, that allowed them to live on in the strange world they’re seen playing Skullgirls in. Or maybe they were never truly human to begin with, and it was only representations of the actual beings that were killed. Or maybe it was something Lamia did- the same action that created the Skull Heart and Double? Hopefully we’ll find out the true answer to that some day!
    One thing that is confirmed is that Trinity is a creation of Double, though- she started the religion as part of the whole Skull Heart scheme, and she’s just had a very long time to spread her influence.
     
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  3. cappatacus

    cappatacus Active Member

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    Her killing for power makes a lot of sense. I wonder if this is the kind of thing we'll see in her origin story, or if they'll focus on how Neferu bonded with Sekhmet.

    Either way, crossing my fingers for more origin stories soon!
     
  4. rexturtle1120

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    While I certainly can’t explain everything I’ve heard that each story in Skullgirls is set in an alternate timeline where different things happen depending on which charecter you pick. Yes many things that are the same do happen such as the murder of Dr.Avian, but Peacock has never destroyed the skull heart at the same time Ms.Fourtune does which is why I can confirm this statement to be true, there’s also different dialogue and people die but that’s just another reason. Aeon and Venus at this point are kinda like our all powerful fourth wall breakers- while I believe in Eliza’s story for the time being they were killed, that’s not to say that in an alternate timeline there still alive and well. As for Double I’ve heard she’s a shadow of the queeen, hate to drag Harry Potter into this but kinda like horocruxs where it’s one part of your soul, in other words only a part of the queen and not her total self.

    All in all the thing to keep in mind is that Skullgirls takes place in alternate timelines, though I’d definitely like to know more about these characters
     
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  5. Beldr447

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    Some canon info:

    Eliza did kill Aeon and Venus, no explanation for the other Aeon and Venus manipulating thr skullheart.

    By the time Eliza did it the skullheart already existed, since they confirmed parasites come from the skullheart.

    Aeon, Venus and Queen Lamia are in the church and have a religion because Double made it up, yes, the entire trinity religion was made up by Double.

    All the stories in story mode PC are indeed alternate timelines, but they confirmed none of them are the true canon storyline.

    They said that Umbrella had to be playable to see the true storyline, since she is the only one that can destroy the skullheart forever.

    Aeon, Venus and Mother are on a plane of existance known as Abyss and they have never meddled in mortal affairs
     
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  6. Psyche

    Psyche Not An Actual Corgi
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    When making blunt assertions, citations or any form of evidence is always much appreciated!
     
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    I was not referring to you specifically but I suppose I was including you within the general advice for good practice when discussing lore like this. While I do appreciate the link, it’s still unofficial and some parts of it actually contradict what you have said, such as disagreement over whether Aeon and Venus have ‘meddled’ in the default mortal realm’s affairs. Still better than nothing! I don’t mean to discourage you from discussing the story and lore, but it’s nice to point people to places where they can gather additional information if they please.
     
  9. Beldr447

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    Wait, where it is the disagreement on Aeon/Venus not meddeling on mortal affairs?
    That info came from a stream if I am not mistaken so it is official, unless they denied later but I have not seen any mention to that.
     
  10. Psyche

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    @Beldr447 The Skullheart thread says the following:
    Meanwhile:
    It doesn't matter too much though. All I was asking for was some kind of referencing which you have effectively done so it's fine.



    Anyway, back to the original topic. My interpretation of Double's 'you killed my daughters' line is that in that moment Double is a projection of Lamia or Mother or whomever, as opposed to an autonomous being. I feel that it makes sense for Double to have been created by the Divine Trinity with some embedded memories that do not belong to her, or for her to be something like an avatar in the main world/dimension/universe that either unquestioningly follows orders or can become possessed and controlled directly.
    I haven't played the main game's stories in quite a while, but I seem to recall that while delivering that dialogue, Double's character sprite is in a contorted and disfigured (or at least moreso than usual) position, with the contours of a face really protruding out of the flesh or something like that. This really affirmed my belief that while she was talking in the first person, she was not talking about herself at this moment.
     
  11. Beldr447

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    OK, that was a fucking typo on my part and forgot to write never fml
     

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